08 October, 2006

Reconsidering the "Necessity" of Guns

That's something this weekends NiT Guest Blogger Trashley would like us to do.

To take a leaf from someone else's book:

People of the Left, I need you to explain something to me.

Many of you rail for day upon day about how the Bush administration is evil and corrupt. You insist that the government is creeping into fascism. You point to things like the suspension of Habeas Corpus as pure violations of civil rights. You are reeling about the torture bill.

And yet you still don't understand why we have that second amendment? You still don't get why there are those of us who think that the right to fight back against a corrupt state should be preserved above all else?

How can you look at all of the many missteps made by your government and not want to desperately cling to the security of a free state?

You want the right to abort fetuses because a woman's body is her own. Yet what happens when a government decides that no one has a right to their own body? How do you fight them off armed only with leaflets and good intentions?

Please tell me how you can look at a government that many of you have long ago decided is beyond redemption and still think that the right to own guns is not a necessity?


At 3:06 PM, October 08, 2006, Blogger Ivy, the Great and Powerful said...

Actually, I'm a liberal that is completely against gun control. Of any sort. If you want to own a rocket launcher, go ahead. Just don't get pissed when Bubba's family sues you because you accidentally launched a rocket at him. ;)

At 5:04 PM, October 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So,the erosion of liberty as practiced by the current administration is justification for the easy availability of cheap handguns?Just in case we wish to overthrow the government or something.

At 5:11 PM, October 08, 2006, Blogger newscoma said...

I'm a liberal. I have no problem with the second amendment. My dad had a gun when I was growing up and we KNEW not to touch it.
I do wish that the laws that are in place were followed more closely when it comes to registration which has been an in issue, but not all liberals want to take people's guns.
I feel this is a misconception.

At 5:32 PM, October 08, 2006, Blogger friedApplePie said...

yeah, i'm not a gun fan or a gun supporter, but i still have a belief in the right to bear arms. a friend of mine made an analogy between gun control and "defense of marriage" the other day that was pretty thoughtful. i told him he sounded like a libertarian.

At 7:48 PM, October 08, 2006, Blogger Donna Locke said...

I oppose some gun-carry bills (like the "for" restaurant carry bills) and I'm for some other gun restrictions, but for overall restriction, I have said for many years that the only logical gun control is, only females should be allowed to own guns.

At 9:08 AM, October 09, 2006, Blogger dolphin said...

I'm a liberal and I don't have a problem with the second amendment, though I don't think it does nor should prohibit any gun legislation at all (really who thinks 4 year olds should each get their own A-bomb?).

What I don't believe is that violence is a necessity for taking down a tyrannical government. All governments derive their power from the people. The people are quite capable of taking that power away. How fast would even the most brutal fascist state crumble if all of its citizens did as little as simply stop paying taxes. They may lock up or even kill a number (though if history is any indication the death toll would be lower than an armed revolution), but a government can't lock up or kill all of its citizens without simultaneously losing it's own power. All governed peoples have the ability to overthrow their governments without violence, it matters only whether they have the guts to do so.

The reason (some) liberals can fear the abuse of government power while not arguing for anarchist gun regulation, is because we don't start with the assumption that violence is the only way to solve one's problems.

At 12:10 PM, October 09, 2006, Anonymous Kate O' said...

How are privately-owned handguns currently being used to protect our civil liberties? I don't see militias on the streets of DC demanding that the ridiculous broadening of the definition of "enemy combatant" be curtailed. I don't see handgun owners stepping forward to defend free speech. Maybe I'm daft, but I'm just not getting the connection.

At 12:13 PM, October 09, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are so many arguments for legal gun ownership but as a former law enforcement officer I can tell you that most guns used in crimes are not "legal". I fail to see how making guns even more illegal or even entirely illegal will stop criminals from using guns.

Besides, using a gun in a crime is already illegal. Passing more laws will stop criminals how?

At 1:18 PM, October 09, 2006, Blogger Sarcastro said...

Kate, I'm a handgun owner and will defend your freedom of speech. As your freedom is not yet threatened to my knowledge, my gun stays in the holster.

If any other of your liberties being curtailed to the point where lives need to be taken, just holler.

At 2:20 PM, October 09, 2006, Blogger Kat Coble said...

Kate O'--

How is your fifth amendment right to protect against self-incrimination currently helping you?

How is your sixth amendment right to a speedy trial currently helping you?

How is your seventh amendment right to a jury trial currently helping you?

How is your eight amendment right to be free from cruel and unusual punishment currently helping you?


Many of the amendments in the Bill of Rights are "just in case" protections. Chances are that you yourself are not going to have to face trial for a crime. In the same way, chances are that you will not have to take up arms to defend your freedoms. But the Bill of Rights makes allowances for these unusual circumstances to protect all citizens equally.

At 2:32 PM, October 09, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'when it comes to registration'

There is no registration other than NFA weapons (machine guns, etc.)

'How are privately-owned handguns currently being used to protect our civil liberties?'

Well, some people aren't dead thanks to their privately owned handguns. Isn't life kind of like the civil liberty?



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